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an enforcing the gun laws we already have. >> i think that mr. lapierre ignores what really was enormously powerful, even riveting testimony from gabby giffords and her instruction to our committee, the judiciary committee and congress itself, to be bold, to be courageous, because america is counting on you. and the call to action that came from newtown is for better enforcement of existing laws but also new laws that will enable better enforcement. we can have common ground with mr. lapierre that better enforcement of existing laws is necessary, but that leads in my view inevitably for the call for more background checks on the 40% of all firearms purchases that right now are within the exemption of the gun show loophole and private sale and background checks on ammunition purchases. background checks, for example, and other sensible measures like stronger action against trafficking and straw purchases and including a ban on assault weapons are within the common ground that i think we ought to try to establish here. >> senator, for those just joining us, we have been keeping the coverage
, even you, mr. lapierre. we tang gold -- we can go, what was it, 18 years ago? you are looking pretty good [laughter] i would like to add something to the record. page 44 of the department of justice report of assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces. it shows a 70% decline from 1992-'93 through 2001-02. >> no objection. >> thank you. chief johnston, i would like to talk with you. i'm gary grateful for the support of your organization of the major -- i am very grateful for the support of your organization, the major chiefs. as was the trauma surgeons to see what these guns do in tearing apart bodies. i have become very concerned as i looked at the bill before in 1993, at the technological improvement in these weapons over these years. one of the things we have tried to do in this new bill is prevent that from happening in the future. in looking at the ar-15 magazine on a device, which is legal, called a slide fire, i note that with practice, a shooter may control his rate of fire from 400 rounds to 800 rounds per minute, or shoot two, three, or four rounds at a time and just as e
to the panelists. mr. lapierre, i ran into some of your members in illinois and they tell me, you cannot get the second amendment. it is not just about hunting. it is not just about sports. it is not just about shooting targets. it is not just about defending ourselves from criminals, as ms. trotter testified. we need the ability to protect ourselves from our governments. from our government, from the police, if they knock on our doors and we need to fight back. do you agree with that point of view? >> if you look at what our founding fathers put that there, they had lived under the tyranny of king george and wanted to make sure these three people in this new country would never be subjugated again and live under tyranny. i also think that what people all over the country fear today is being abandoned by their government, if a tornado hits, if a hurricane hits. if a riot occurs. then they will be out there alone. the only when they will protect themselves in the cold and dark when they are vulnerable is with a fire arm. that indicates how relevant and essential the second amendment is in tod
at solutions. as a former prosecutor, i have always believed in enforcing the laws on the books. mr. lapierre, i made it a major focus of our office to prosecute the possession of guns. it is clearly part of the solution. you can not lessen the importance of that as we go forward. there are other things as well, including the recommendations that have been made by vice president biden and the task force. it is very important that we explore those in addition to enforcing the laws on the books. i have heard from republican sheriffs from all over the state that there are major issues with background checks. i would turn to that first, chief johnson. we had a guy in minnesota that just came out in the papers. he killed his parents, he got out, somehow got a permit, was able to obtain guns. when they found him, he had 13 guns in his house, and he had a note that he had written to the gunman in newtown and said, i think about killing all the time. he was able to get a permit and get those guns. this just came out in our local paper. what do you see as some of the biggest loopholes? we talk about g
going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> there will be order. there will be order. mr. lapierre, wait. mr. lapierre, please, wait. everybody, for a moment. i said earlier, there will be order. >> ruth, i mean, the testimony from mark kelly, from others, were that the shots, it was his ability to get off so many shots, that basically killed the 9-year-old girl. >> there were a bunch of different points. i was watching all morning, which you just sort of wanted to lean out and throttle the folks on your tv screen. gabrielle giffords' testimony was just heartbreaking, and i think it was particularly powerful, because everybody who knows her, understands that she did not come to this from the position of a stridently liberal anti-gun activist. she's a gun owner. mark kelly's testimony was very, very powerful a
, even you, mr. lapierre. we tangoed, what was it, 18 years ago? you are looking pretty good [laughter] i would like to add something to the record. page 44 of the department of justice report of assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces. it shows a 70% decline from 1992-1993 through 2001-02. >> no objection. >> thank you. chief johnston, i would like to talk with you. i am very grateful for the support of your organization, the major chiefs. as well as the trauma surgeons to see what these guns do in tearing apart bodies. i have become very concerned as i looked at the bill before in 1993, at the technological improvement in these weapons over these years. one of the things we have tried to do in this new bill is prevent that from happening in the future. in looking at the ar-15 magazine on a device, which is legal, called a slide fire, i note that with practice, a shooter may control his rate of fire from 400 rounds to 800 rounds per minute, or shoot two, three, or four rounds at a time and just as easily fire single shots. it apparently is versatile. it is easy to use, but has trem
a daughter that survived, how did you feel? >> i found mr. lapierre's arguments and reasoning disingenuous. in my situation, my daughter was shot twice in the back of the head, chose mental health adjudication records were not in the system. we have to do a better job. we know. and law enforcement will tell you. background check is what they want. they want to stop the criminals from getting the guns. in my home state of virginia, we know that background checks work. in gun shows, state police arrest numerous individuals. they do work. and they can stop criminals and dangerous people from getting weapons. i find it very, very telling that the commentary as always, you're targeting law-abiding sit zeps. no, we're not. we're targeting criminals, domestic abusers, terrorists. we want to stop those individuals from getting a firearm and harming our neighbors, our friends, our communities. we need to do a background check on all buyers, on all gun sales. >> and that seems pretty simple. but clarence, every time i think i haeshd it all, i hear something else. during the hearing, graham said that
pressed lapierre. >> if you're a dealer, that is already the law. >> please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could just answer the question. >> rights demand responsibility. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame. >> americans are looking to us for solutions and for action. >> this time must be different. >> the senate judiciary committee today held the first senate hearing on gun and ammunition control, in the aftermath of the massacre of 20 first graders and six women educators at sandy hook elementary school. baltimore county police jim johnson addressed one of the more absurd proposals that have been floated in the wake of the first graders. the idea that they should be protected by teachers with guns. >> you're a teacher in a classroom, an educator, you dedicated your entire life to that pursuit, but you have a side arm strapped to yourself, you better have it all the time. because if you put it in the desk drawer, the brief case, where will you leave it? let me tell you something, carrying this weapon on my side has been a pain all of these years. i
to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals aren't going to purchase the guns because there will be a backseat ground check. you missed that point completely. >> i mean, does the nra think we shouldn't have a law just because criminals would try to break the law? i mean, the fact is almost everybody believes that we should do. including nra members. 92%, lorie, of americans support background checks. 74% of the nra members support it. i mean, as you sat there listening to this today,i mean, as one who has a daughter that survived, how did you feel? >> i found mr. lapierre's arguments and reasoning disingenuous. in my situation, my daughter was shot twice in the back of the head, chose mental health adjudication records were not in the system. we have to do a better job. we know. and law enforcement will tell you. background check is what they want. they want to stop the criminals from getting the guns. in my home state of virginia, we know that background checks work. in gun shows, state police arrest numerous individuals. they do work. and
to be with us and that was wonderful to see your wife again. let me go to you, mr. lapierre. president obama has issued 23 executive actions on gun violence. can you discuss the commonality between your organization, the nra, and the obama administration when it comes to finding ways to reduce gun violence? >> what we think works, and we support what works. i've talked about the eagle child safety program which would put more money into than anybody in the country. we support enforcing the federal gun laws on the books were under% of the time against drug -- 100% of the time against a drug dealers, gangs with guns, felons with guns, and that works. you've got states like california where they send more inmates back to the streets and have to put more back in jail for new crimes guns -- committed against their citizens than any other state in the nation. new york state, too. the collapse of the fiscal situation in those states has also collapsed the criminal justice system in those states. the nra has always supported what works. we have 11,000 police instructors and we represent honest people al
the laws on the books. mr. lapierre, i made it a major focus of our office to prosecute the possession of guns. it is clearly part of the solution. you can not lessen the importance of that as we go forward. there are other things as well, including the recommendations that have been made by vice president biden and the task force. it is very important that we explore those in addition to enforcing the laws on the books. i have heard from republican sheriffs from all over the state that there are major issues with background checks. i would turn to that first, chief johnson. we had a guy in minnesota that just came out in the papers. he killed his parents, he got out, somehow got a permit, was able to obtain guns. when they found him, he had 13 guns in his house, and he had a note that he had written to the gunman in newtown and said, i think about killing all the time. he was able to get a permit and get those guns. this just came out in our local paper. what do you see as some of the biggest loopholes? we talk about gun shows, internet, private sales, and how you think that could hel
how they stand by it. >> senator, mr. lapierre is presenting to the american people that it would be a quagmire, a nightmare to do universal background checks. his position all of the sudden is there is no way it would work, that it would be actually targeting the law abiding citizens. your thoughts on that. >> well, it really makes no sense. first of all, we're doing it already with respect to gun shops and pawnshops. to do it in the environment of these big gun shows, which are basically a giant gun shop with many dealers real hi doesn't add anything to it. as police chief johnson said, it takes a minute or two to go through the background check. the second thing is that the whole point of the exercise is that it keeps the criminal from coming in and buying guns. so when mr. lapierre says, well, you know, this is no good because criminals won't subject themselves to a background check, that's precisely the point. >> sure. what was the feeling in the room from you and your colleagues after hearing gabby giffords speak today? how much of an impact do you think she had? >> i think
there and they end up in the hands of criminals in chicago. we have to put an end to this. mr. lapierre some of your colleagues tell me senator you don't get the amendment. do you agree with that? >> if you look at why our founding fathers put it there is they lived under the tyranny of king george. >> jennifer: so there needs to be more guns in chicago to protect the citizens from the government, in this case the police who are trying to keep them safe. all of this in the name of freedom? what about a 15-year-old's freedom from being shot on the way home from school. then the senator responded. >> well, chief johnson you have heard it. the belief of the nra is the second amendment has to give american citizens the fire power to fight back against you. so how do you conduct your business in enforcing the law in not knowing what is behind that door? >> i find it to be scary, creepy, and simply just not based on logic. >> jennifer: it's based on fantasy and fear mongering but that never stopped the opposition before, and it is not going to now. they keep pushing the nra argument
checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> and i think it's basic. ( audience reacts ) >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to ten. giffords' husband, mark kelly, argued those restrictions would have lessened the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 seconds, he emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of defense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking
to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there'll be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> i think you're missing it. >> please wait. as i said earlier, there will be order. >> and the chair of the judiciary committee patrick leahy also tried to pin down lapierre on the same issue. background checks. >> should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> that's not my question. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> with all due respect, that was not the question i asked. nor did you answer it. >> but i think it is the answer. >> mark glaze, if we can't get it done on background checks where the polli
tremendously. >> thank you. and captain kelly, mr. lapierre testified that universal -- >> you're watching cnn's live coverage of the senate judiciary hearing on gun violence. so far a day with divergent viewpoints. congresswoman gabby giffords who was shot in the head over two years ago in an arizona parking lot briefly testified as did her husband, former space shuttle commander mark kelly talking about how there needs to be gun restrictions. kelly talking about how he is a gun owner. he and gabrielle giffords are both gun owners and believe in the second amendment and right to bear arms but there needs to be a conversation about gun violence. he talked about the need for better background checks in this country and eliminating restrictions on data. i want to bring in our chief congressional correspondent dana bash who is in the hearing room. one of the things we heard about a few minutes ago was about going after straw purchasers. could you explain to our viewers what exactly are straw purchasers and this is an area of legislation where there might be some accomplishment? >> reporter: if yo
right now that goes through the system we have. >> senator durbin? >> mr. lapierre that's the point. the criminals won't purchase the gun because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator i think you missed it. >> let there will order! [ overlapping speakers ] >> please, wait. everybody for a moment. >> cenk: that's fun, but you want to get a load of something really interesting, it turns out that wayne lapierre did not miss the point. he understood the need back in 1999 . . . >> cenk: now that's of course before the nra started to take massive amounts of money from gun manufacturers and the people who sell high-capacity magazines. all of a sudden what was very reasonable in '99 after getting paid a ton of money, all of a sudden totally unreasonable. let's talk to a guy who has been in the inner circle richard feldman who is a former lawyer and political organizer for the national rifle association, and they are now a little mad at him because of a book he wrote called "ricochet" and he is starting indep
point answered mr. lapierre's claim that background checks don't need to be made universal. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> the nra position, and shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity rifles still would not work. and banning the semiautomatic weapons, such as the ones used in aurora and elsewhere. the assault weapons ban that was in effect in 1994, they used it to make their case, listen. >> they prove that it had no impact on lowering crime. >> the department of justice report assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces, we chose the 70% decline. >> while armed security works, gun bans do not. >> i have been in law enforcement for nearly 35 years and i have seen an explosion of fire power since the assault weapons ban expired. victims are being riddled with multiple gunshots. >> reenact the law that according to the department of justice did absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence. >> the 1994 assault weapon ban
's not my question, please, mr. lapierre. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> okay. so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not. >> don't make me say it, we do not. the reason why wayne lapierre is physically squirming there, the reason he is trying really hard not to answer that question in an excerptable sound bite-friendly way that's going to turn up in an ad to damn politicians who might associate themselves with his group is because if wayne lapierre is paying attention, and i bet he is, he knows the nra stands very much alone in this country in opposing universal background checks for buying a gun. the last cbs news/"new york times" poll showed that nine out of ten americans, 92% support universal background checks for buying a gun. among nra members, his own members, 86% believe that anybody buying a gun should have to undergo
like that father outline, which was quite well said. and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the
in the real world. >> mr. lapierre that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. [ cheers ] >> i think you missed the point -- >> i didn't miss the point you missed the point. >> stephanie: oh my god -- >> i'm not wrong you are. >> stephanie: the majority of nra members are for this. >> yeah, it is outside of the scope of even the most stanch interpretation of the second amendment in terms of scalia and it's outside of the scope of what, you know, any person who interacts with these systems, these databases tell us there are huge gaps in terms of social security records, vas, there are government records of people who have been found incompetent that are not being shared with the database system. >> stephanie: it is huge. there is a terrifying piece about how the violently mental ill can guy guns. we couldn't even get wayne lapierre to say should there be a background check at our gun shows? >> right. >> stephanie: how do you even invite someone like tha
for the acts of violent or deranged criminals: none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this first hearing on guns since newtown was huge. snaking down the hallway and down the stairs, citizens on both sides of the issue. >> i truly care about this issue and want to support commonsense gun laws. >> guns are not the primary cause of the issue. it's the people that operator use the guns. >> reporter: inside, republican lindsey graham wanted to bring in a real gun but real tape and laws prevented it so he used pictures. >> does everybody on the panel agree that a convicted felon should not have either one of those guns? >> reporter: a staunch defender of gun rights, he talked about limiting high-capacity gun magazines by telling the story of a woman trying to fend off an intruder. >> her husband said
anything that would interrupt sales. >> right. maria, t teresa, mr. lapierre responded to the subject of background checks. >> standing in line and filling out a bunch of bureaucratic paperwork just so a grandfather can give a grandson a christmas gift. >> so, maria teresa, we all accept a grandfather has a right to give his grandson certain types of guns as a gift if he wishes, but what about the same right the child has to going to school without being hit by 11 bulletses from a military-style assault weapon. i guess that's not a absolute right in the same way, is it? >> i think he's being disingenuous with his membership. 74% of members believe in criminal background checks. recognizing that guns should not be falling into the hands of criminals and people who are mentally ill. >> mr. lapierre says the only intention behind any legislation is to either tax the weapon or take it. that's what he says. >> well, that's what he says, but that's because what he's trying to do is spin his constituency, his membership, into believing false positives. 74% of nra members believe there should
, and other gun control measures like that father outline, which was quite well said. and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the newtown shootings and gabrielle giffords shootings somehow were staged. he needs to be challenged on those issues. >> well, we'll see if he is up to that challenge tomorrow, thank you for joining me tonight, frank. >> thank you, lawrence. >> "the ed show" is up next. there are places in this country where the threat of deportation hangs over the heads of many people. >> the good news is that for the first time in many years, republicans and democrats seem ready to tackle this problem together. members of both parties in both chambers are actively working on a solution. >> so here we have the president praising the framework unveiled by eight democratic and republican senators. president obama is urging using his bully pulpit to make sure there is an urgency to get real reform done. >> the foundation for bipartisan action is already in place. and if congress
well said. and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the newtown shootings and gabrielle giffords shootings somehow were staged. he needs to be challenged on those issues. >> well, we'll see if he is up to that challenge tomorrow, thank you for joining me tonight, frank. >>> the reckoning. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this, the reckoning. put up or shut up, d-day. in a shattering moment this afternoon, president obama threw down the gauntlet. he demanded congress pass a potent immigration reform bill, one that fixes the problem of decades, deals with the 12 million people here illegally, stops the illegal hiring and exploitation of workers. so the challenge is out there right now right there in tonight's news packed and ready for tomorrow's newspapers. will it explode into action, light a firecracker under the republicans? will it detonate an avalanche of action driving teeth into the reform, ending the per
richard durbin vigorously disagreed. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month, the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also want to say a word she attended the university prep school in chicago. she was an honors student and a majorette, and she marched in the inaugural parade last week here in chicago. it was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life. yesterday in a rainstorm after school, she raced to a shelter. a gunman came in and shot her dead. just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she's gone. we are awash in guns. the confiscation of guns per capita in chicago is six times the number of new york city. we have guns everywhere. and some believe the solution to thi
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